Monday, June 6, 2011

Introduction


Welcome to my blog. I started this blog to document the ancient stone structures located in the Hi-Tor recreational area near Naples. When I had documented all of the information on that area I began to expand the scope of this blog. It now includes information on stone structures located throughout Western New York. Blogger publishes post chronologically so some important post have gotten lost in past. I am including links to key past post in this introduction.

11 comments:

brad and linda jones said...

The Hi Tor stone monuments are not cairns; they are stone piles created over many decades by farmers removing stone from their fields. This wwork began in the late 1860's after deforestaation and continued until roughly the 1930's. Every spring before planting the farmers would go out with their horse and a stone boat, pick stones, and transport them to carefully placed destinations either in fields or at the edge of fields or in hedgerows between fields. Stone piles in fields were always aligned on north/south or east/west lines to make it easier to plow, plant , and harvest.

If you aare interested in learning more or visiting our stone piles, please feel free to call at 585 374 2627.

brad and linda jones

stonepilewhisper said...

Mr. Jones as you know I did call you. I tried to talk to you but you hung up on me. O.K. You took issue with too things I said.
1. The Native people did build cairns with stone in this area and I can point to historical references that confirm that.
See:http://hi-torstone.blogspot.com/2007/07/pioneer-accounts.html

If you disagree point to your references.

2. The Native people in this area did have contact with Europeans for hundreds of years.
We know that Columbus made contact with Central America tribes in 1492. Henry Hudson explored the Hudson river in 1609. Later in the 1600's the Jesuits came to our area. Hundreds might be a stretch but over a 100 for sure.

I still offer to show you my maps and go for a walk in the woods.

You are entitled to your opinion but i do not share it. I would suggest to you that the hill you live on has a much more interestin history than you are willing to believe.

stonepilewhisper said...

One more link Mr. Jones. Look closely at the picture on this page. I think Mr. Parker knew what he was doing.

stonepilewhisper said...

This is the link:)

http://hi-torstone.blogspot.com/2007/08/who-created-these-stone-piles.html

Geophile said...

While certainly there are many places where walls and stone piles were created by farmers clearing fields, it has been shown that there are many references, including by prominent people of the time, some of them still famous names today, to the traditions of stone piling by the indigenous people of eastern North America. This is not even in doubt anymore. Add to that the fact that many areas that have multiple stone piles are on mountainous or other uneven and rocky terrain that has obviously never been cleared or farmed and your broad generalization can be shown not to apply in many instances.

And of course the indigenous peoples themselves have stepped forward and begun to share some things about the sites which they had been keeping from general knowledge until now, hoping that it would help the places to be preserved. The sites are referred to as ceremonial stone landscapes, and descendants of the indigenous people are now working to have some of them preserved from threatening development.

All that said, let me confess that after the first couple of sites I was shown, I actually said the exact same thing you're saying. That these things were kept secret stretches the imagination and seems like wishful thinking at first. It was only after visiting several sites and seeing similar structures over and over, things a farmer would have no reason to take the time, work and care to do, that I began to come over to the other argument. I have had the privilege of visiting a number of sites with indigenous descendants and was present when they hid behind a huge boulder and performed a short ceremony in their own language to honor a site. I am convinced.

It is good to be cautious and to learn to distinguish various kinds of walls and piles and chambers or root cellars according to when they were built and who might have built them. It is something that takes discernment and a level head, even a little skepticism. But if your argument is that the indigenous people here were for some reason unable to even think of laying one stone on another while on every other part of the continent the people they actively traded with were piling stones and creating huge mound complexes, then I am afraid you are flying against all of the facts.

stonepilewhisper said...

I find it interesting Mr. Jones that you file a law suit to promote wind turbines. Maybe you have an agenda that would like to make sure there is no archeological value to your property preventing you from cashing in on turbine money.

stonepilewhisper said...

Well said Geophile.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Mr Jones would like to review
USET Resolution No. 2007.037

http://www.larryharrop.com/uset.pdf

david williams said...

Sorry this isn't exactly in reference to the specific blog posting but when I sent an email to you it bounced back so I thought I would try to contact you this way.

Greetings from Seattle. I am writing because I thought that you and the readers of your blogs might be interested in my new book--Cairns: Messengers in Stone, which weaves together the cultural and and natural history of cairns from around the world. Chapters include the geology and ecology of cairns, burial cairns in Scotland, cairns on expeditions, and stone stacks. Part history, part folklore, part natural history, my book shows that cairns are more than a random pile of rocks, they provide habitat for plants and animals, a means of communication, and guides for travelers worldwide. For more info, you can go to the cairns page on my website.

Cairns is available at independent bookstores and on Amazon.

Thanks kindly,
David Williams

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